The Big Picture
As a Long Island Jet fan I can assure you that if given the choice to take the train to Manhattan or drive to Queens I would choose the former. A West Side Stadium would allow the average fan to be at the game in less than an hour. Any fans that are commuters wouldn't incur any greater costs for transportation as they would already have monthly tickets. Traffic wouldn't be a great concern for the very reason that a stadium in Manhattan would encourage fans to utilize mass-transit. There would actually be less traffic as many Long Island and Connecticut fans drive through the city to get to the Meadowlands. If more fans were to use mass transit I would also imagine instances of drunk driving would decrease.
Additionally, the MTA would increase ridership if a stadium were placed in Manhattan. As a result there would be less fare increases which would benefit all commuters.
Tailgate parties have been a part of the game day experience for a long time. A Manhattan stadium would provide a superior experience for the majority of fans. The bus from the Port Authority to the game is always full of enthusiastic Jet fans. The ride builds the excitement of going to the game. I would prefer to lengthen that experience by sharing it with fans on the L.I.R.R. For a 1:00 pm start, I would get up at 9:30 and bbq some ribs or chicken. If I didn't feel like cooking I'd have heroes. I'd catch the 11:30 Jets Express out of Babylon and be part of a great rolling tailgate party. After the game (hopefully a Jet win) I'd take the 4:30 Jets Express and be home in time for the second half of the 4 o'clock game. Unless of course I decided to go out with friends in the city (since I'm already there!).
I also wouldn't have to worry about the weather. Blizzard or hurricane my tailgate party would always be a warm and dry event.
The Cablevision commercials always mention that $600 million for a stadium would be better spent on raises for police, sanitation, etc. This is not a situation where if they don't spend the money on a stadium the police are going to receive it in the form of raises. A stadium would increase revenues to the city, thereby providing it with greater funding to address the financial concerns of its employees. My closest friend as well as two of my nephews are N.Y.P.D. officers and in lieu of a raise I'm sure that they would be happy with the overtime opportunities that events at the stadium would provide.As opposed to the current situation where these financial benefits are being reaped by N.J. state troopers at the Meadowlands.
The city would also benefit from the fact that money would be spent in New York. Instead of driven through the city and spent in New Jersey.
I would appreciate your opinion of these points. I look forward to hearing from you.
Mark, you've laid out in a very clear and coherent style some of the leading arguments for building a stadium on the West Side. You clearly get the big picture. Our problem is that Cablevision has succeeded in defining the issue in the public's mind by pumping tens of millions of dollars into a campaign of lies and distortion, as well as pimping a phony "grass roots" organization called NYABC.
It's stunning to me how effective this campaign of lies has been. But with people like you out there, we still have a good fighting chance.
-T McM, Jr.
From Deep in the Heart of Texas
I'm a 16-year old Jets fan living in West Texas(maybe I'm naive, but I seem to feel like the only Jets fan over here) and I've been a regular visitor for your website, I would love to see the Jets go to West Manhattan. Although also a keen supporter of the Knicks and Rangers(i'm an ex-New Yorker), I am deeply disappointed about their ownership and their snubbish attitudes.
I just want to thank you guys for creating this website and keep it up, I got your back over here.
Send us your address, Harsh, you need a t-shirt!
Tom McM<orrow, Jr.
Dear Wise Old Egg...
Can you please tell me how I can get in touch with Tom McMorrow? He wrote an article Unforgettable Days in New York's Old Ballparks. In the article, he wrote about his friend, Dr. Norman Juskowitz. I found the article by "googling" the name Norman Juskowitz. I was so moved by this article. Norman Juskowitz said baseball ceased to exist when the Dodgers left Brooklyn.
I can tell you that after that move, Norman Juskowitz didn't pay attention to baseball. He did love sports and oh how he loved the NY Giants and Knicks. I should know. He was my dad, and I went to many a game with him. I would dearly love to be in touch wtih Tom McMorrow if possible.
Thank you for your help.
Amy Juskowitz Sponseller
Tom, Sr., and Mom were so happy to hear from you, Amy.
(Norman Juskowitz and his wife were neighbors and close friends of Tom and Joan McMorrow in post war Stuyvensant Town.)
Don't Give Up, Woody!
I have been a Jet fan all my life, over 40 years. I have been waiting for an owner to finally build us a stadium, and now we have one that is trying.
If this stadium deal does not go through, would Woody still build it in Flushing? Or if the $600 million of taxpayer money is a problem, why doesn't Woody try to make a deal with the Met's or Yanks to share the stadium, they would put up the 600 million.
Don't give up Mr. Johnson, we need this stadium!!
I don't have any idea what Woody will do if this stadium doesn't happen.
I would hope that Woody would build it in Queens, but it will be a loss for the city. It won't be an Olympic stadium, it won't have the lure of the Javits Center next door for conventions, and it will not bring in nearly the revenue for the city that the west side stadium would. It is too bad that a few greedy, short sighted people can do this much damage to the future of NYC.
Thanks for writing,
Tom McMorrow, Jr
Why don't we spend more money improving the MTA and subway system , clean up the streets of NY, create more security so people wont get kill etc etc etc. instead of wasting money on stupid NONSENSE STADIUMS!!!!....come on this is ridiculous!!!!! ...New York has already enough to offer doesn't need an stadium!!!
Thanks! Eduardo Duarte
If the city doesn't invest in its future, there will be no money for the MTA, cleaning up the streets, or anything else. You have to spend money to make money.
Tom McMorrow, Jr
who do I have to contact to get a job for the people building the stadium?
Thanks, Victor Shiro
Hi Victor, hopefully the obstructionists will lose and we'll get those jobs going, but until then, there are no jobs available on the far west side.
Who the Hell is...
Who the hell is Clyde Haberman.
And what does the Times know about Sports ! What a joke !!!
Brian Forberg - NY
How Could You Print This???
Now you want the Jets to share a stadium with the Giants in New Jersey? Why would you post this???? The Jets will never have an identity, you guys are just a shill for woody. After all the support the Jet fans in NY HAVE GIVEN YOU.... I'd rather see the Jets in LA with their own stadium then them playing second fidile to the Giants for the rest of my life.
Hey, take it easy, Glenn.
I want the Jets here, no place else.
We all pour a hell of a lot of time into this, because we want the Jets in NYC, not NJ and not LA. But, if there is a story about the Jets talking to NJ, why shouldn't people know about it? We're not interested in the company line, we just want to put out the facts, and let our readers decide.
A shill for Woody? Not hardly.
Tom McMorrow, Jr
Boo You People
Dear people who are trying to ruin football games, I cannot believe that any fan of football or the NY Jets would support this stadium. For over 25 years groups of men and woman have expressed their passion for their teams and their creativity by tailgating ,since the Jets were at Shea. People have created Jets buses and RVs as well as special game day recipes for their tailgate party. I am 25 years old and for the past 4 seasons my group of friends have been to almost every Jets home game including a few away games each season. We tailgate every time for up to 3 or 4 hours before the game. We all feel that this is a tradition we would like to continue for many many years. If you take tailgating out of the equation many young fans will have an even harder time going to NFL games. We are not rich and we save all year to buy our tickets and to pay for hotels for our away games. I could not imagine ticket price increases due to NYC Stadium costs. On top of this costs of a Sunday would rise extremely, think $6 beers and $12 burgers in a local bar because we are now a captive audience before we even get into the stadium. Concessions at stadiums or any food service entity that has a captive audience are always sky high. If we were to got to a bar by the stadium at 10am for a 1pm or 4pm game we could end up spending $75 each just for burgers, wings and beer. Not to mention trying to fit at least 30,00 people into bars in the area. This is unacceptable. The success of the NFL comes from the circus like atmosphere that begins across the country at 9am Sunday morning and the passion that each fan has for their team, not to mention the fact that short schedules make every game count. If true game attending fans were surveyed correctly you will see that many are against the stadium. The only people for it are people who would directly benefit monetarily from its creation. You are ruining the chances for future generations of TRI State Area children and adults to enjoy the tradition of tailgating. BOO YOU ALL!
Thanks for the email, I'll try to post it on the web site at some point this weekend.
I love tailgating, but as we've said many times before on this web site, we go to the game to see the game, tailgating is a great extra.
You grew up in an era of suburban stadiums, but that era is coming to an end. Look at Detroit, the Motor City. Where did they put their stadium? Downtown. There is still tailgating there, but it is a different experience. They sell out in Detroit, with a team that is not very good. The football experience is always changing.
I started going to Jet games with my dad back at Shea in 1964. We'd take the Number 7 there. Then the Jets moved to the Meadowlands in '84. Because getting out of the parking lot was such a nightmare, we began to tailgate. It's fun, but so was the electric feel of the sunway ride to the game.
Before the Giants played in the Meadowlands, they played at Yankee Stadium. No tailgating, but they built a deep fan base.
The success of the NFL comes from what happens on the field, first and foremost. It's a great game, period.
As a Jet fan, I want the Jets to have their own stadium, and as a New Yorker, I want that stadium to be in Manhattan, where it can act as a center for events year round.
Tom McMorrow, Jr
Queens or else
West side in not happening. Accept it. Either do in Queens or no Olympics
One Sentence Says It All
If Dolan is for it, I'm against it.
Cablevision Will Lose!
I am a long time JET fan and i think that this latest gimmick from Cablevision to buy the railyards for $600 Million is totally disgusting. It's proof that Cablevison is just trying to potect their monopoly.
I'm in total support for the West Side Stadium and I KNOW it will be built. I cannot wait till opening day where all the hard work will pay off, and those roaring fans will shout out J!-E!-T!-S! JETS! JETS! JETS!.
Sincerely, Peter L.
LA better than Jersey
D'amato has always been a shill for anyone who'll give him a buck.
Now it looks like his buddy Jimmy Dolan from Long Island is making him the go between money man between him and Bruno.
This is all sickening! I hope Woody doesn't give into these cowns and moves the team to LA.
Stop with this LA, already!
I'm Very Pissed Off Today...
I said from Day One that Woody needed a Plan B because Manhattan would be difficult, if not impossible, to get done. Well now that Cablevision has dropped the a-bomb, what is Woody going to do now? Shack up with the Giants in NJ for the rest of our lives? He can count me out as a Jet fan if that happens, and he'll have no one to blame but himself. I've been suffering with this franchise for 25 years. My heart was ripped out when they left for NJ in 1984, and I've held out hope for years that they'd finally come back. Queens should've been in Woody's hip pocket this whole time. But instead he's proving to be short-sighted and stupid by putting all his eggs in a very weak basket. I don't see any way the West Side happens now, and I'll be looking for a new football team and basketball team (damned if I'll ever root for a Cablevision team again). I am very pissed off today...
Go Head to Head with Lawmakers
April 5 is Lobby Day in Albany, where all state lawmakers (assembly & senate)listen to all lobbyists who have a platform regarding things they are standing for. I urge all want the New York Sports and Convention Center built to attend this day and urge those we voted for to Support the West Side Stadium and Stand Up to those who want to kill the project.
John DI Donato
Go, John! Great idea.
How sickening is it that Woody Johnson is now meeting with the State of New Jersey,
After they have been working with Jimmy boy Dolan all along and have tried to stop the new West side stadium by Filing a lawsuit against us. I guess the neysayers won this time! All the sports writers who are in the pockets of NJ and the Giants win!
If Woody makes a deal with NJ and helps build a stadium for NJ and the Giants I'll no longer be a fan of the team!
I'd really rather Woody threaten to move the team to LA, He'd get more of my respect
Glenn the Jet fan
Glenn, when you see a report in the paper saying this or that, you have to question the source. I'm sure Woody is weighing his options, but most of this Jersey stuff looks to have been planted by the Jersey Sports Authority.
Move to LA? If that ever happened, I sure wouldn't be wearing green on Sundays.
Funny Mushrooms From Utah?
Your Utah native makes a strong "green" plea aimed at Sheas parking lots.
However as a New York Queens "native" I remember when Shea was supposed to get a roof and seats enclosing the outfield. It never did, did it.
Poor Bill Shea
How about some multi level lots and better access roads- not everyone comes from Manhattan some of us come from Long Island and Westchester and other locales.
Thanks and lets remember the Dolans are in the position Ma Bell was prior to 1984 they have no competition in their operating areas. And everyone was ready to tear ATT apart (and did) how about some talk about that deal!
Why do I have to choose cable, satellite, or antenna. Why can't I choose another cable company in the same area?
Thanks for your email, I'm going to try and post it this weekend.
The idea of using Shea as an Olympic stadium is so bizarre, it can only be made by one who has either a) never been to Shea or b) been eating strange mushrooms from the mountains of Utah or c) All of the above.
Dolan has had a great year in hockey, anyway.
Tom McMorrow, Jr
Shuffle Off to Buffalo
You make a very value added argument for this facility. But something similar happened many years ago in upstate NY, Erie County.
The county was going to build a new "domed" stadium for the Buffalo (Bumbling) Bills football team. The owner demanded an open stadium on a different site, and an exclusive use contract. If not, the team would leave. Since then, the taxpayers of Erie County have been paying the bill, while only the football team owners make any money. All the stadium costs, repairs, and maintenance fall upon the taxpayers, while all the receipts go to the team. In effect, welfare for the rich. Unless the construction contracts clearly stipulate that the CITY AND STATE COMPLETELY OWN, OPERATE, and CONTROL the use of the stadium, this will just be another welfare subsidy for the uber-rich. So unless the receipts go to the city and state, not the team, let the billionaires of the NFL pay for their own stadium.
J. Matthew Good
Thanks for the letter, will try to post it on web site this week.
The example you sight proves the point. An open air stadium in Buffalo is good for 10 Bills games a year and that is about it. And it is located in Buffalo. While I love our great city by the lake, it is not a destination of most tourists.
A domed stadium/convention center in Manhattan would bring the Jets to New York, would open the greatest city in the world up for major events year round, would augment the Javits convention center, and would give NYC the ability to host mega events like the Olympics and the Super Bowl.
And, remember, this is not a handout, the Jets are putting up most of the money for the stadium, while guaranteeing against cost-overruns.
Welfare for the rich is wrong, but here you have Johnson laying out huge amounts of money for this project. There are rare cases where public funds make sense when invested into a private enterprise, and this is one of them.
Best, Tom McMorrow, Jr.
Personal Seat Licence
Everybody talks about how the city/state are going to fund their end of the project. Nobody talks about how the Jets are going to fund their end. The answer is PSL! The adds try to make this out as a good deal. NYC pays $600 million and they make money on this investment and the Jets pay $800 million. Well I say it's more like this: NYC has cost overruns pays 1 Billion, loses money. Jets pay ZERO, Jets fans pay $800 million! (80,000 season ticket holder x $10,000 in PSL = $800 million) I'm a NYJets season ticket holder. I've been going to games for over 30 years. The tix have been in my family since 1965. Without fans such as myself, the NYJets wouldn't exist. Now wOOdy johnson wants to price us out going to the games. I say he should lay his cards on the table, I KNOW he won't. It has to do with the quality of the person that he is. Obviously, I don't think highly of him. The Jets have their ads with their Harlem firefighter about how this is good for NYC. Well I just retired as a Hells Kitchen firefighter. I protected the site that you want to build on for 15 years. I know the area and the traffic patterns BETTER than your "experts". I've inspected the Amtrak site several times, responded to calls there many times. I've gone to many fires on the Amtrak train tracks, north of the site. These are usually a result of the homeless who live underground on the side walls of the train tracks. I know when the Javits Center's busy season is and when the slow season is. The Jets fans will have to compete with the Javits patrons for parking. Your plan is a disaster! To bring 80,000 people to this area at the same time is wrong. Everytime that a fire happens, when the 10,000 to 20,000 extra cars are on the streets, people will DIE! Please feel free to respond, I doubt that you will.
Hi, Thanks for the email, I'll try to post it this weekend.
You are wrong right out of the box.
"NYC has cost overruns pays 1 Billion, loses money." Wrong. The Jets are underwriting the project against any and all cost overruns.
The stadium seats 75,000, not 80,000.
The Jets won't be able to charge $10,000 for PSLs, because they won't sell at that price. I do expect, if they charge PSLs for the club seats, which is about 12,000 (not sure of the exact number, it's in that ball park, club seats are a special section that has waiter service, other such silly, fancy fru-fru) that they would charge a high figure for those seats, I certainly won't be in that section!
The Jets are very aware of the danger of pricing themselves out of the market.
I've been going to Jet games since the first year in Shea, 1964. Tom, Sr., who is 83, prays to see another Super Bowl title.
As far as traffic endangering the public, remember, football is played on Sundays and late Monday nights, the exact times when traffic in that area is at its lightest, and the stadium is being built in an area rich with mass transit.
I know the area very well, since I have lived here my whole adult life.
Final point, I want to thank you so much for your service to this city and to this country. I may disagree with you, but I respect you very much.
Sincerely, Tom McMorrow, Jr.
Grilled Red Herring
Dave Anderson’s "very random and very unscientific" survey has now raised the biggest red herring of all in opposition
to the West Side Stadium – that fans will have nowhere to tailgate. ("Trifling with Tailgating," editorial, December 31).
The tailgate tradition began when the Jets started playing their home games in the swamps of Jersey in a stadium with some other team's name on it. There is one way to get to the Meadowlands - you have to drive. For the Jets traditional fan base - residents of Brooklyn, Queens and Long Island, the trip can take hours. Getting there early and staying late are the only ways to beat the traffic. With nothing else to do, tailgating is the only option.
A home for the Jets on the West Side will present countless options, before and after games. Some will bemoan the loss of their beloved barbecues, but new traditions will develop. For true Jets fans, the ones who go to cheer on their team, not to sit under a tent watching the game on TV while gorging themselves on a multi-course spread, a state of the art home for their team is the most important concern. Even Anderson’s survey conducted at one game – not two as the editorial claims – comes out nearly 50-50 on this point.
This Jets fan and many others support the West Side Stadium.
Lowell D. Kern
Times Editorial Smacks of Desperation
Right on for your comments on the Dave Anderson piece (of drivel). The Times has sunk to a new low.
The Anderson column was bad enough (why didn't he "randomly" survey the folks standing on line for the bus to Port Authority in 20-degree weather about having real mass transit to a West Side stadium?). But the editorial
was an abomination barely worthy of comment. I really still can't believe they ran something so infantile -- how the Jets and the city will ruin the lives of tailgaters. That's important editorial fodder in light of what's going on in the world right now. Where do you start to comment on this?
As bad as the Anderson piece was, the editorial smacks of desperation. Maybe it's a sign that the stadium will actually happen, as it should.
Let's Wear Our Colors!
I received your email about the upcoming hearing for Monday and Thursday. I have a better idea. Why don't we all wear NY Jets merchandise for one week to show the support that we need for West Side Stadium?
I spoke to sports reporter at the Hosftra college basketball game today. I rather not name the guy but he is sports anchor for 10pm/11pm news. I can't name the guy because I spoke to him "off the record" about West Side Stadium. According to him, he's all for it. There is something that he knows but cant tell me about it because it will be much more than 8-10 Jets home games and Big Apple College Bowl. We have to wait until the stadium is completed before we know what it is. He doesn't understand the fuss coming from Cablevision because Cablevision is one greedy monopolist pig. The traffic wouldn't be that bad because it doesn't involved the rush hours that we all know. The traffic on Sunday is the lightest day of the year as not many people will travel to the game by car. It's possible that some will use MTA transportation.
And, one last thing, why cant Jets have their own stadium in the biggest market in the USA? No wonder why Dolan is having hard time drawing fans to the Knicks game. I guess that's all for now. If you want to mail me another tee shirt, then that's fine with me. If not, I understand because the t-shirt that I have, in the back of the t-shirt, contain NY logo not a picture of West Side Stadium.
I hope to hear from you as soon as possible Roy
Hi, Roy, if you can make it to Thursday's hearing, I'll have a shirt for you, let me know the size!
From Your Lips to God's Ear
Great web site!
If possible, can you please post a timeline/calendar of events? Something like this:
Dec. 16, 2004 - Public Hearing
Jan. 17, 2005 - NYS Approval
Feb. 15, 2005 - NYC Approval
Feb. 25, 2005 - Ground Breaking
June 2005 - IOC Announcement
January 2008 - Stadium Complete!
Anyway, thanks for your efforts!
Regards, Gary Russo
Hi Gary, I love your timeline, let's keep it! Actually, IOC announcement is due July, 2005. All the others are TBA, although I love the last one on your list!
Tom McMorrow, Jr
Why Stop with Dolan?
Hello, my name is John Mudie. I reside in Buffalo N.Y. My cable provider is Adelphia Comm. They are one horrible company, their rates have gone up 45% in the last three years and my friends that work there have not gotten an increase in four years,no more than the cost of living if that.
My question to you is why just go after Cablevision and not the rest of these cable operators, they're all in bed together, one owns part of the other. They treat their employees like red headed step children, they fight Union organizing campaigns with the zeal of the Bush administration and Iraq, and Mr... Dolan has been doing it for quite some time.
I was involved in a campaign in Long Island several years ago and was disgusted at this company's behavior, and treatment of it's employees. I continue to be involved in many other campaigns to organize cable workers, and I find that it doesn't matter who they are the script is the same the intimidation is the same, and unfortunately the results are the same for the most part.
I would ask to be included on an electronic mailing list if available. I was also wondering how does one go about setting up a web page like this. Thank You, and I applaud your effort.
John Mudie Area Vice President Communications Workers of America Local 1122 Buffalo New York
I agree, the cable industry reminds me today of the Robber Barons of the 19th Century. They grabbed a monopoly, and squeezed their customers for every last cent. We're starting a web site called StopCablevision.com, but we can certainly go beyond just Mr. Dolan.
Verdict is In, Now Find the Facts
So let me get this straight...you are willing to pay a one time fee of $1-1500 because the stadium will be so profitable? With that sort of logic, I can understand why you are no rich guy.
If this stadium is going to be so profitable why would I be in favor of the City paying for half using tax payer dollars and I will still need to pay more per game? You may argue that the surrounding area will benefit as a result, but we know that is not true...there are many case studies that prove both sides of the argument. You note that tickets prices will be line with the rest of the league...being in New York I assume that they will be slightly above the average. Since the Patriots currently have the highest priced ticket in the league, averaging $75.33, is it safe to assume tickets prices will average out to about $75-80 per ticket? Appreciate your help. I am researching this topic for an article I'm assisting to write and I would like to make sure I have all the accurate details.
Thanks for your nasty, arrogant letter. We have always been respectful of the opposition. Because someone has a different point of view than ours doesn't give us the right to be rude. At the end of the day, this project will either happen or not, and we will all move on.
You claim to be "...researching this topic for an article I'm
assisting to write and I would like to make sure I have all the accurate
details." Why bother with the details? You don't need facts. All you need is a noose so you can hang 'em high. You would have been right at home at the Salem Witch Trials. The verdict is in, now let's find the facts that fit.
The Independent Budget Office gave a worst case, best case scenario. Worst case, stadium was revenue neutral to the city, that is, it pays for itself. The IBO is hardly pro-stadium. In fact, Ronnie Lowenstein of Independent Budget Office spoke out strongly against the stadium back in February.
The Jets are paying the entire cost of the stadium, $800 million. The city and state are each borrowing $300 million to pay for the deck and the roof, with the latter being key, since that is what will open the city up to winter events it is now not able to compete for. The Jets are also paying for any and all cost overruns.
As long as, in the end, the city is not picking up the tab, there is no reason why the New York Jets should not be allowed to make a profit. They will set a price, and the fans will either pay it or not. The Jets are risking $800 million on the deal. If they charge too much for the PSLs, they will not sell and the Jets will lose money.
The Jets may very well be able to avoid PSLs. The naming rights alone on this stadium would sell for a record amount, and there are plenty of corporations in our city, the money capital of the world, who would be eager to buy private boxes.
However, they can not preclude PSLs at this point. After sitting in that horrid Meadowlands parking lot for over two hours several times this year, just trying to get my car out of there, yes, I would gladly pay a one-time fee to get my team into a stadium where we, the fans, could take mass-transit to the stadium. A stadium that would, at last, make New York a year-round destination for large scale events. And I am not alone in that sentiment. But, of course, in your eyes, that just makes us a bunch of suckers.
Personally, I think we suckers are a hell of a lot better off than arrogant jerks like you.
Tom McMorrow, Jr
I am a college student in Rhode Island and I am from Long Island. I have just visited your web site and it was been very informative. I vote yes for the stadium. Its a great investment which will pay for itself and add funds for the city.
Yes tailgating at Giant stadium for Jets games is fun, however, the commute back and forth is awful. Its a main reason why many do not attend. They would rather just go to a local bar and watch it. However, the commute will be great in the west side. We would just hop on the LIRR and be there in no time. What's better then watching the jets in a game IN NYC. Nothing. can just see myself on my way to the game on the LIIR and everyone chanting J E T S Jets Jets Jets.
In terms of tailgating, I will refer to Fenway Park, Even though I am a die hard Yankee fan, I have to admit, Boston has a great atmosphere for there games. Probably one of the best in the country. With the new stadium plans, I feel the West Side Stadium will have a great pregame atmosphere topping Fenway Park and others. This really is worth it.
On a different note, being a college student and without money, and wanting to support this Stadium, I find myself wanting a T-shirt that I cannot afford at the moment. I know its not expensive, its just that I only have 6.54 dollars in my account. HAHA. Any sympathy? Worth a shot I guess. Thank you and Go Jets!
Best Regards, Chris McCrain
Awright kid, but ya better get good grades! But judging by your letter, I don't think that'll be a problem. You really nailed it. T-Shirt's on it's way.
PSLs and Ticket Prices
I am a New York City resident and a Jets season ticket holder. Could you please outline what the ticket prices will be if this stadium is built and the Jets make the move accordingly? I have heard ticket prices will increase and season ticket holders will be required to pay a license fee to purchase the tickets. I realize the final details have not been ironed out and ticket prices have not been confirmed but I'm sure you must have viability studies for this stadium that must include ticket prices...I'm just looking for a "Ballpark" figure.
Yours truly, John O'Brien
John, I don't know if you attended the season ticket holder meeting that the Jets held in September at the Sheraton. There was a q&a with Jay Cross, and his response was that the Jets were trying to avoid PSLs, but he could not preclude them, at this point. This is a very expensive building, but it has better earning potential, in terms of luxury boxes and stadium naming rights, than any stadium ever built before.That said, I personally wouldn't mind paying a one-time fee of $1,000 or $1,500, and I'm no rich guy. At the same time, the Jets are well aware that not every fan shares my sentiment, and the last thing they want to do is move into a new stadium which they can't sell out because they've priced themselves out of the market.
As far as actual ticket prices, I expect teh Jets, from everything I've heard, to keep prices in line with the rest of the league.
The stadium should definitely be built. It will bring jobs to many New Yorkers and revenue to the city. Besides, we need to bring back the Jets to N.Y. , and away from New Jersey. What if the Bronx had voted against Yankee stadium, or Queens against Shea. Many people like myself feel it should be built and we should be heard. PLEASE DON't LET THEM WIN. THIS STADIUM SHOULD BE BUILT......... THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
Kathleen Donohue from Broad Channel, Queens.
Thanks Kathleen for your letter, I'll keep you posted on upcoming events. With supporters like you, we'll get this stadium built.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Traffic is a joke now. Don't insult my intelligence by saying there will be no increase in traffic with this stadium. If you want to expand Javits I'm all for it, but the Jet stadium has nothing to do with the Javits Center. If you want to put the Jets back in NY, then put them in a new stadium in Flushing Queens or Brooklyn.
So, by your logic, traffic problems in Queens or Brooklyn don't matter, the only thing important is that we not increase traffic in that forlorn dead zone called the Hudson River train yards. You take the politically correct position of saying you're in favor of the expanded Javits Center, without comprehending that the expanded Javits Center will have a much greater impact on day to day traffic flow on the west side than the stadium, whose main occupant will be using it on weekends and 9PM Monday nights.
|What About Traffic?
As resident of Brooklyn, my neighborhood will not be affected by this new stadium
but I would like to know how this new stadium will change the flow of traffic on the
westside highway? As a commuter who passes frequently through the area by car, it is
normally congested in the midtown area. How does your proposals address this
important issue? I am aware that you plan on extending the 7 train but it will not
eliminate additional traffic on the westside highway. In fact, a new stadium will
increase the traffic I would love to hear back from you!
Traffic on the West Side Highway can be a noightmare during rush hour, but remember,
football games are played on Sundays and late on Mondays, 9PM to be exact, so there
is no overlap with rush hour. Some events will impact the highway traffic, I am sure,
but those will be more convention center type events, with an occasional concert thrown
in. In the end, this stadium is located to take advantage of mass-transit, which will
greatly lessen the impact on vehicular traffic.
Streaming Bad Vibes
The wonderful (in all but this) Mayor Mike Bloomberg, thank goodness, now sees the financial over "the ego" (not his, his deputy major's). He doth protest too much on NY1. Paris...always wanted to go there! Pop over to London then rent a car and do the countryside, too. It's so much cheaper than one $1,500.00 seat at the Olympics in NYC or to reserve the right to have one seat to watch the Jets at a cost of (?) $9,000. - never mind paying for the actual season ticket! And, with no place to park the car, we'll have to rent a limo at $300. from Tenafly, NJ (a mere 8 miles). Tisk, tisk. Scads of corporations have tax breaks and almost all have piggybanks and salaries much less that W. Johnson's billions...what was that exact figure again? That's not the point though. It's a bad idea in a bad place. About the FDR stadium name, well, that's up to the highest bidder (unlike the MTA property) probably around, if you look it up, at least 75 million...no, not for NYC or NYS...the Jets get it. Barbara, second generation tailgater
C'mon, Barbara. In your earlier stream of consciousness email you stated that you live in the area, here you're now taking a limo from Tenafly.Tossing around a number like $9,000 for a PSL is ridiculous. Anything at that level would be a corporate luxury box type deal. If the Jets tried to charge regular fans that kind of PSL, we wouldn't pay it, and they know that. They are not doing this so that they can go broke with an empty stadium. As for the rest of your stream, it speaks for itself.
Go Take a Long Walk off a Short Pier
I have an idea.You should tell bloomberg to pay for your stadium.I guess the corrupt unions need work so they want the tax payers to foot the bill an then when we want to go see a football game they will gouge us again to walk in the door.When does it end.They should Do somthing good like tie a cement block to all of you and bloomberg and walk one more block up.Please reply.
C'mon, are you sure your name isn't really Charlie Dolan?
My name is Roy Weintraub and I have been very impressed with the website
that you created regarding to Jets moving to West Side. Guess what, Im all
for it. Its time for Jets to have their own stadium. I just dont understand
why Jets dont have their own stadium considering the fact that its NEW YORK TEAM
and people assumed that New York has everything.
Everytime I see something sprewing out of Cablevision's point of view,
whatever its from radio, newspapers and/or television ads, it make me vomit. It
does make me run to the bathroom and spend three hours throwing up. They are
nothing but punks. They fought against New York Yankees for 18 months about
YES Network. They went to the court and they lost. They filed lawsuit
against New York Mets, about Mets TV Network, and this case is still pending. Now,
they are fighting to prevent Jets from moving to West Side and Nets from
moving to Brooklyn. I have one question to ask them. Who in the blue hell do they
think they are? Sometime Cablevision act like they are so special and they
are above law, or even above everything else. They act like they are always
right and we are always wrong. They think they should be treated differently
than anyone else and the world should revolved around them.
Well, once we get this stadium built, there is no way in the hell that
Cablevision can stop Jets. There is nothing more than for me to see Cablevision
file Chapter 11 bankruptcy. I really hated them now, more than ever. I used
to root for NY Knicks and NY Rangers but now, NO MORE, DOLAN. When they
choose to pick fight against Steinbrenner regarding to YES Network, I switched to
become NJ Nets and NY Islanders fan. I am not going to feed my money into
Dolan's pocket. I am afraid that Dolan will use my money to spend on the ads
campaigning why they are against West Side Stadium. I rather used my money to
campaign why we should have West Side Stadium.
I hope we can get this West Side Stadium up and it would be my pleasure
to see DOLAN CRY SO HARD that he could create his own river coming out of
Garden. I havent gone to Garden for two years and I have no plan on going back
because they are idiots.
If there is anyway I can help you regarding to rally or to declare my
support on the West Side Stadium, please let me know. I have the tee shirt -
BUILD IT - already when I bought them at the NY Jets training camp, this past
summer of 2004.
Feel free to send me email if you need anything from me.
Hi Roy, thanks for your support. We'll keep you posted on upcoming events.
Wise Beyond His Years
I think that the west side stadium is a great idea, sure it would take alot of money to build it, but it will pay for it's self and then some over time.
Some say to use the money to build schools or re-open fire houses, but if we do what they say, the money will be gone, and then what, we will not have the money to keep up the schools and keep the fire houses open, build the stadium and it will make the money to do all that and more.
This city doesen't have alot of money, so we have to make it grow.
My name is Vincent Caltagerone, I live in Brooklyn, NY. I am 16 years old and I want to see a west side stadium, I would like to learn how I can help. Thank You
It's great to see you get involved, Vincent. It's important for folks your age to take some time to learn about these issues, no matter which side they eventually come down on. You are our future, and this project is about the future of our great city.
We'll add you to our mailing list and keep you posted on events.
Let us know your shirt size so that we can drop one in the mail for you!
I have traveled the west side highway and I cannot imagine the horror of how much worse things would be if we had the stadium of this magnitude on the west side.
Please do not build this stadium it would be a big mistake.
Hello, Friends, Highest commendations for the extraordinary and outstanding design of the New York Sports and Convention Center! I wish to propose a name for the stadium...
On January 6th, 1941, before a joint session of Congress, FDR declared, "Freedom means the supremacy of human rights everywhere"--his noble and ennobling Four Freedoms speech, and inaugural third term State Of The Union Address. FDR, native New Yorker, Governor of New York, and four-term President-elect, presiding over our nation during the greatest world conflict of all time--I suggest, PRESIDENT FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT FREEDOM BOWL, aka, THE F.D.R. FREEDOM BOWL, a title that all Americans can embrace. Such a facility in New York City would command attention for a season-ending top-tier college bowl game of the first rank. As well, a season-opening kickoff match-up would draw teams with strong national recognition from all parts of the country. The stadium would be an ideal venue for the Annual Army-Navy Game. And, who knows, perhaps NYU might decide to resurrect its long-dormant football program due to the overwhelming appeal and close proximity of the Freedom Bowl--The Big Ten Conference is still looking for a 12th member.
Russ Thorson Riverside, CA~One of NYC's fine outer suburbs!
You, you, you, YOU GUYS STINK!
I am strongly opposed to the stadium. I am a huge sports fan and would love to see a new stadium financed WHOLLY by the team and only by the team. If this is not possible the Mets have expressed interest in splitting the cost of a Flushing stadium. If you want public funds why are you so afraid of a public referendum? Weather you pay for if with public funds or private funds the area must be rezoned and the public will be affected. We must have a voice. We must vote. Why dose this scare you so much? Is it because your own fans in Giant Stadium booed so loudly when the picture of the stadium was put up on the diamond vision, that it was taken down and has not been put back up? Why are you afraid of the voices of the public? Why are you afraid of the voices of YOUR fans? Why are you afraid of the truth? WHY DON'T YOU WANT A VOTE? It just makes me wonder........ Brian Murphy
Brian, relax. First off, we are not the Jets, we are folks just like you with a different point of view on this issue than you have. We live in the area, we work in the area. So, when you say "...you want public funds..." or "...you (are) so afraid of a public referendum...", realize you're talking to your neighbors, not some abstract entity.
Now, you ask why we are afraid of a referendum? Personally, I'd love to see a referendum, if that was the way the city worked. Then, the Jets could flood the air waves with ads the way Cablevision has, we could have a vote on it and settle it once and for all. And, by the way, it would pass. But Brian, that is not the way the City Charter is written. It took years to write the current City Charter, but if you want to lead a campaign to rewrite it, count me in. You should be able to get it done within the next ten years. At the same time, life goes on, and organizations in the real world like the New York Jets pursue projects under the City Charter, as it is written, today.
You talk about zoning. Wake up, Brian. While Christine Quinn and company have been screaming about the stadium in public, behind closed doors they have approved the largest re-zoning of the west side ever. They buy political cover by waving the stadium around like a red cape in front of a bull, and you obligingly charge ahead, blind to the sword that is about to cut you.
Don't be a dupe, Brian. Learn the facts.
The View from Scotland
I have been a jets fan since 1985 and think the building of a new sports
complex in Manhattan would be extremely beneficial to New York itself.
If as hoped the Olympics do come to New York in 2012 then you would
indeed have a stadium worthy of holding such a World renowned event. The
cost does appear quite high however you should compare it to the cost of
the new stadium being built in London, England. This stadium project has
a projected cost of £750 million (pounds sterling) now convert this into
US dollars and you’ll see that while the New York stadium is expensive
it is by no means the most expensive one being built. I for one think
the benefits outweigh the costs. What about the jobs that will be
created across this complex not just in the stadium, then there’s the
revenue from the countless events that will be held in the complex. If
you take all this into account then it seems on the face of it a viable
and worthwhile project for the city of New York as a whole.
I live in Scotland (Great Britain) in a small village 17 miles east of
the capital city Edinburgh. Some may say that my views don’t carry the
same weight as I’m not a New York native but I feel it’s my duty as a
Jets fan to give my support to this project.
PS. I’ve never been to a Jets game but some day I will get the funds
together and come visit.